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Latest Standings (Men)

Postby orange05 Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:08 pm

Blue Group

England 3-0
Germany 3-0
Sweden 2-1
Netherlands 1-2
Ireland 0-3
Finland 0-3

Purple Group

Czech Rep 3-0
Scotland 3-0
Italy 2-1
Switzerland 1-2
Spain 0-3
Belgium 0-3

Green Group

Wales 3-0
Israel 2-0
Norway 1-1
Slovakia 0-2
France 0-3

So if it stays like that, the Quarter-Finals could be as follows...

England v Ireland
Wales v Finland/Scotland
Czech Rep v Netherlands
Germany v Sweden
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Postby UKLaxfan Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:05 pm

Ireland beat Sweden
England beat Germany
Finland beat Netherlands

Ireland #97 Joseph Prior scored a Hat-trick including a goal from 75 yards, lots of Long Pole goals in this game
Germany pulled the plug on this game early both teams Vanilla and expect to meet up again later in Championship
Finland have looked great apart from vs England, tough team and Big

Today's Stasndings:

Group Blue

1. ENG 4 4 0 58:21 4
2. GER 4 3 1 36:37 3
3. SWE 4 2 2 32:43 2
4. IRL 4 1 3 37:38 1
5. NED 3 1 2 26:29 1
6. FIN 3 0 3 15:36 0

Group Purple
1. SCO 4 4 0 49:10 4
2. CZE 3 3 0 61:9 3
3. ITA 3 2 1 32:23 2
4. SUI 4 2 2 38:31 2
5. ESP 4 0 4 10:59 0
6. BEL 4 0 4 16:74 0

Group Green
1. WAL 3 3 0 41:9 3
2. ISR 3 3 0 35:15 3
3. NOR 3 1 2 17:26 1
4. SVK 2 0 2 14:23 0
5. FRA 3 0 3 7:41 0

There are some excellent players on display
#20 Sweden Mid
#18 Finland Def
#16 Sweden LSM
#22 Holland Mid
#12 Holland Mid
#8 Holland Mid
#2 Watson Assist to #29 Bennett Goal just makes me smile

Ady Bennett has been operating in Stealth Mode, below the Radar.... all he does is score Goals!
#12 Glenn Humphreys lit it up today with outside shooting

Tomorrow's schedule
33 25.6. Mon 10:00 ESP BEL
34 25.6. Mon 11:00 GER SWE
35 25.6. Mon 12:30 SUI ITA
36 25.6. Mon 13:30 CZE SCO
37 25.6. Mon 14:30 FIN IRL
38 25.6. Mon 16:00 NOR SVK
39 25.6. Mon 17:00 WAL ISR
40 25.6. Mon 18:00 ENG NED
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Postby orange05 Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:03 pm

FINAL ROUND-ROBIN STANDINGS:

Blue Group

England 5-0
Germany 4-1
Ireland 2-3
Sweden 2-3
Finland 1-4
Netherlands 1-4

Purple Group

Scotland 5-0
Czech Rep 4-1
Switzerland 3-2
Italy 2-3
Spain 1-4
Belgium 0-5

Green Group

Israel 4-0
Wales 3-1
Slovakia 2-2
Norway 1-3
France 0-4

Quarter-Final Play-In games (tomorrow):
Ireland v Slovakia
Sweden v Switzerland
Finland v Wales
Netherlands v Czech Republic

Quarter-Finals (Wednesday):
England v Finland/Wales
Israel v Netherlands/Czech Republic
Scotland v Sweden/Switzerland
Germany v Ireland/Slovakia
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Postby mikehmlax6 Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:23 pm

If anyone has seen the stats they'll see England have given up 50 minutes worth of penalties, second most after Spain.
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Postby Paul_lboro/wildcats Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:46 am

mikehmlax6 wrote:If anyone has seen the stats they'll see England have given up 50 minutes worth of penalties, second most after Spain.


I've watched some of the games and have been wondering about this. Is this a result of our domestic game? Are we allowed to get away with way more things our club matches?

Initially I thought it was a natural result of having more referees (usually see more penalties at the nationals) but Spain aside we are racking up far more penalties.

I don't think England are a dirty team, it's just they are playing the way they are normally allowed to and this is being judged as unacceptable by the officials.
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Postby Dining Room Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:53 am

Not seen much as I've struggled with the 24/7 website however:


Midfield fouls - are they playing an aggressive ride?
Defensive fouls - Knowing Coach Cugno he will have them pressing - I have no doubt once he is happy with the set-up he will stamp out fouls for later in the competition.
If these fouls were causing teams to get back in to games I sure they would stop immediately.
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Postby the pom Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:43 pm

stockport!!

it would be interseting to see who has the fouls
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Postby chippie Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:09 pm

There are some really harsh calls...and a lot of deserved calls as as well...

some good physical checks are being called up as slashes...
lots of 'roughing' calls...
there have been a lot of calls on players that have run into other players but couldnt stop...
some really good hits on the sideline, but the reffs are calling them up as the fences are so close to the sideline (less than a meter)
also not all fouls are being communicated before play re-starts leaving the bench unsure of whats going on....and then getting a delay of the game call...

but also, there are some good calls, England are just a physical and aggressive team and go after the ball a lot
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Postby orange05 Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:11 pm

Myerberg seems to be the main offender
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Postby Phil Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:23 pm

chippie wrote:lots of 'roughing' calls...


Forgive my ignorance, 'roughing'?

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Postby chippie Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:54 pm

Phil wrote:
chippie wrote:lots of 'roughing' calls...


Forgive my ignorance, 'roughing'?

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thats what was said....im guessing unnecessary roughness....
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Postby dalglish Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:09 pm

the pom wrote:stockport!!

Good of you to think of Stockport but considering they have more players in the squad Pom theres every chance someone from the club will get penalised at some point. There has not been anything untoward from any player, most of the calls would not happen in the Prem, that's the general opinion of those watching the games live.
They are there to do a job and so far they've done what was needed, I'm sure the coaches will be working on reducing the time spent on the bench now that they are in the knockout stage.
The fact that Tom Willy and Baxter have had pens tells you something, I can't remember the last time either had a penalty at stockport, can you?

After 5 games the Penalties have been spread round 14 players, 9 with a zero count

hampstead ryan myaberg 9
sienna College colin clive 5
stockport tom gosnay 5
stockport sam patterrson 5
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stockport a baxter 3
mersey tom gallon 3
rochdale lewis jacobs 3
poynton alex Davidson 3
poynton sam russell 3
cheadle ady bennett 2
rochdale nick watson 2
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timperley mike armstrong 1
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Postby young_trig Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:36 pm

dalglish wrote:
the pom wrote:stockport!!

Good of you to think of Stockport but considering they have more players in the squad Pom theres every chance someone from the club will get penalised at some point. There has not been anything untoward from any player, most of the calls would not happen in the Prem, that's the general opinion of those watching the games live.
They are there to do a job and so far they've done what was needed, I'm sure the coaches will be working on reducing the time spent on the bench now that they are in the knockout stage.
The fact that Tom Willy and Baxter have had pens tells you something, I can't remember the last time either had a penalty at stockport, can you?

After 5 games the Penalties have been spread round 14 players, 9 with a zero count

hampstead ryan myaberg 9
sienna College colin clive 5
stockport tom gosnay 5
stockport sam patterrson 5
mersey Wawryziniak Jack 4
stockport a baxter 3
mersey tom gallon 3
rochdale lewis jacobs 3
poynton alex Davidson 3
poynton sam russell 3
cheadle ady bennett 2
rochdale nick watson 2
stockport tom williamson 2
timperley mike armstrong 1


Interesting to see so many of the penalties coming from the attackers!
Would I be right to interpret this as riding too hard or are there other reasons for the attackers pulling fouls?
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Postby davidmcculloch81 Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:44 pm

I've only watched two of the games (Ireland and Germany) and the refs have been pretty flag-happy in those. Having said that, many of the penalties have been avoidable, especially when you know how the game is going to be refereed. First game (Ireland) - "OK lads, we'll let you off those first few as it looks like these refs are going to be pretty tight on anything after the ball"

Germany game - no excuse really for the late stuff apart from when it's actually been impossible to stop going through with the hit.

Interesting, as Mr Room says, that Coach Cugno has his pressing / aggressive style. My interpretation is that some of the lads in the team are feeling the freedom of being let off the reigns and being allowed to throw checks. The overriding style of Coach Wenham was very much more conservative and focussed on containment. Both styles have their merits.

Ultimately, I think Dalglish said it, whatever it is it's working so why change it? Maybe the benefits of unsettling the oppo with the aggressive style outweigh the negatives of the man down. I can't remember seeing that many extra-man goals in the two games I've seen (apart from comical two-man-zone-gate).
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Postby gazmanofhull Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:02 pm

davidmcculloch81 wrote:Ultimately, I think Dalglish said it, whatever it is it's working so why change it? Maybe the benefits of unsettling the oppo with the aggressive style outweigh the negatives of the man down. I can't remember seeing that many extra-man goals in the two games I've seen (apart from comical two-man-zone-gate).


But if the Euro's are a stepping stone to the World Champs - not saying they are but if I was placed to lead a team to a major event like the Worlds I would use the Euro's as a stepping stone - then surely they cannot use this free style against nations like Australia, Japan or god-forbid USA & Canada, as they will get punished there. So therefore not using it here would be better.
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Postby Waggy Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:32 pm

Why not try a more aggressive style of defence in the worlds, changing things up, trying new thing doesn't mean the previous style was wrong just different!
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Postby UKLaxfan Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:10 am

Philosophical defensive debate on the forum....

It makes me feel proud to be English

All good stuff, I've watched all the Blue Group games and so may have a slightly different perspective

England are not subtle on defense

There are a number of players with NCAA experience or Ice Hockey experience in these games

the Motto seems to be "Don't get Mad - Get even!"

And England are falling for it every time, there are shenanigans going on off ball and instead of taking numbers and looking out for them next time some players have been guilty of rising to the bait

The 2nd or 3rd man in will always get the flags as a lot of the time the refs are watching the ball.

Also you need to play with control, no matter how aggressive you play (which I'm a fan of) you need to have discipline and control of what you are doing.

Overall though, England have been FUN to watch and actually look like they are enjoying themselves :mrgreen:
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Postby davewilliams Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:14 pm

UKLaxfan wrote:Philosophical defensive debate on the forum....
Overall though, England have been FUN to watch and actually look like they are enjoying themselves :mrgreen:


England's lacrosse has been entertaining and bright; playing to nullify opponents' strengths, eg, Ryan Mayerberg taking the Finnish captain to remove the feed/crease threat, and the pursuit of Germany's front six to stamp out the set-piece stack-attack. At times England have pressed the ball all over the field, and have then had the legs to attack strongly when possession has been retrieved.
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Postby Sour37 Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:23 pm

Someone mentioned to me that he hadn't seen much of Gallon on Monday night. Think he had a niggling hip injury
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