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Re: Another NEMLA restructure?

Postby UKLacrosse Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:50 pm

UKLaxfan wrote:
erm....

Virginia - Dom Starsia
Syracuse - John Desko
Duke - John Danowski
North Carolina - Coach Breschi

plus many others

Pretty much all of them recruit athletes over lacrosse players 8)

It used to be you had to be from a Top HS in Maryland or New York to get into any of the above

Now these teams have learned that athletes come from all over the Country and when they arrive on Campus they are Coached up on the Lacrosse Skills & Lacrosse IQ.
Some of these athletes are even converted from one position to a different one as their build, speed, strength or endurance are better suited to a particular position in Division One Lacrosse than they ever played in High School.

I thought you followed NCAA Lacrosse & the Coaching Convention Recruiting trends & strategies?


I would still say that these are good lacrosse players before they ever get recruited. Yes, I've been to the Coaching Convention for the last 7-8 years, so I have had the opportunity to meet and to listen to some of the top coaches. In this country, a good athlete who plays lacrosse before going to uni would be an exceptional player already, by our standards. Maybe not as good on Lacrosse IQ, but then that's a big failing in this country at all levels, mainly due to the coaching, and the lack of good lacrosse to watch. My understanding from those coaches is that they would choose a good lacrosse player who has better athletic ability, over another who is a better lacrosse player but not as good an athlete. It's only a question of definition. If we are hoping to start with a good athlete at uni who's never played lacrosse, then we've got the odds stacked against us. It's not impossible, but we're more likely to get players to a US standard by starting them young and giving them good coaching ..... and then getting them recruited to a US college!
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Re: Another NEMLA restructure?

Postby Shillin Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:26 pm

I don't really think you can compare UK uni to the US collegiate system, yes they should be comparable, you should be able to take an exceptional athlete and turn him into an exceptional laxer. However in the US the facilities and coaching are out of this world compared to uni coaching in the UK, they have dedicated weight rooms training pitches and dozens of coaches and assortments of other sports specialists to help them develop in the US. Here in the UK when you go to uni, your lucky if your team has maybe one guy who has played before or in some cases more than one maybe even a couple, however when you factor in the cyclic nature of uni sooner or later these good guys who teach and help improve the newer player leave and your left with a team which is coaching new players to the game based on second hand knowledge (which in some cases may not be as good as the original sources) and then this is passed on etc. etc. until maybe your uni picks up some guys with experience again and the cycle repeats.

I thought Yorkshire was getting an LDO which was going to coach every uni team in the region, this would be a step in the right direction in terms of developing talent, also i if BUCS lacrosse is the way forward could more clubs not come forward and develop partnerships with uni teams, with the experienced teams helping to coach and train the uni teams, who could then turn out on saturdays?

Or maybe I am missing the point.
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Re: Another NEMLA restructure?

Postby UKLaxfan Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:26 pm

Off-Topic:
Shillin has it right

Clubs should support Local Universities and Develop links so that University Players can develop:-
- Play BUCS Weds & NEMLA/SEMLA on Sats
- Practice with Clubs (more experienced players & Coaches) & more practices (Univ & Club)
- Regional LDOs is a great Idea (they don't have to be Americans)
- Recruitment of Univ players when they graduate.

Timperley Lacrosse Club & Manchester University have very good links

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All University players from whatever Universities are welcome to come down and train with us if you are in the area.
- More players = more lacrosse = more fun.

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Back on Topic:
Having listened to views from Leeds, Newcastle plus others
I'm probably back to neutral, and that the Status Quo may be best way forward
It's only been 2 seasons - give the Leagues time to settle and perhaps time for players to realise that if
progression to their Clubs 1st Team is restricted either by age of current 1st Team players or that Transfers from other Clubs fill any vacancies in 1st Team Squad.
They may then realise that transferring to a Prem 2 Club is the best opportunity to develop there lacrosse playing career path.
As at least they will be playing First Team Lacrosse.

I was surprised by the number & direction of transfers since the NEMLA restructure
From smaller/weaker Clubs to the Bigger/Stronger Clubs :shock:

Players seem to be content playing A-Team & B-Team lacrosse at a Big Club and winning every week rather than challenging themselves to play for a smaller club First Team and becoming a Key Player in Prem 2.

Better a small fish in a Big Pond than a Big Fish in a Small Pond...

winning every week means you can celebrate in the bar every week and tell yourself how good you are rather than proving it on the field!

Funny old World.

What I do know is that I won't be involved in the decision and that whatever happens next season, we'll be in Prem 2 :wink:
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Re: Another NEMLA restructure?

Postby whopead Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:39 pm

In Nottingham and the east midlands there has been a big push to develop uni lacrosse and Nottingham uni Went as far as employing their own LDO. Before this NLC players coached at the uni. Andy Whilde has also been coaching NTU and Leicester Uni. Mike Aspinall has been helping with Lincolns development. This has been good but obv hasnt seen any improvement at Nottingham club!!
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Re: Another NEMLA restructure?

Postby Moaning Git Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:05 pm

Has there been anything else from NEMLA regarding this subject? The AGM is not that far off so I would have thought proposals would have been circulating by now if there is to be a change.
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Re: Another NEMLA restructure?

Postby the pom Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:13 pm

whopead wrote:In Nottingham and the east midlands there has been a big push to develop uni lacrosse and Nottingham uni went as far as employing their own LDO. Before this NLC players coached at the uni. Andy Whilde has also been coaching NTU and Leicester Uni. Mike Aspinall has been helping with Lincolns development. This has been good but obv hasn’t seen any improvement at Nottingham club!!


I wonder how many players stay in the area around where they go to uni I would expect the majority to complete the course and then move on back home or to wherever there job is.
So for a club side I would target junior teams as they will stay around or are likely to move back after uni.

You would hope that some player whilst at uni would turn up to play on sat for the club though
League restructure I told you so 10/3/2011(looking good on this one)
Prem division to two leagues will result in the prem division failing and being combined with Nemla 22/3/2012
the proposed restructure to 8 teams in each prem league will only last a couple of years until it has to be restructured again due to teams dropping out. 13/12/2012
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Re: Another NEMLA restructure?

Postby whopead Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:01 pm

Not many if any stay around after uni unfortunatley.

At the moment we just dont have the man power to sustain juniors.
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Re: Another NEMLA restructure?

Postby ScottStorey Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:41 am

the pom wrote:
I wonder how many players stay in the area around where they go to uni I would expect the majority to complete the course and then move on back home or to wherever there job is.
So for a club side I would target junior teams as they will stay around or are likely to move back after uni.

You would hope that some player whilst at uni would turn up to play on sat for the club though


I can probably answer that.

As a whole former polys tend to have students stay near to where they graduated from due to good local industry links with courses and large numbers recruited from the local population.

The older unis tend to be more varied and do have lots move on after graduation.

There is a shift towards people attending "local" universities that are in the city they currently live or are commutable from where they live
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Re: Another NEMLA restructure?

Postby the pom Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:37 am

also I dont think people would live in Nottingham by choice
League restructure I told you so 10/3/2011(looking good on this one)
Prem division to two leagues will result in the prem division failing and being combined with Nemla 22/3/2012
the proposed restructure to 8 teams in each prem league will only last a couple of years until it has to be restructured again due to teams dropping out. 13/12/2012
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Re: Another NEMLA restructure?

Postby UKLaxfan Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:07 pm

the pom wrote:also I dont think people would live in Nottingham by choice


Nottingham in the 80s had a ratio of 9:1 Women:Men

So if people didn't want to live there, I know a lot who visited for the evening :oops:

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