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Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby davidmcculloch81 Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:51 am

As rpowell has pointed out elsewhere, looks like the Men's WC is coming back to Manchester in 2018. Likelihood is that it will be at the Manchester University facility again - a repeat of the 2010 success; but are there alternative venues?

- Manchester City's new training facility?
- Salford City Reds stadium?
- Gigg Lane?
- Rochdale LC?

Personally enjoyed playing at the University as it had everything (except decent changing facilities). Interested to hear spectators' and festival players' viewpoints too as that is what I will be next time around. Do we need to get in touch with the man from Mahou?

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Re: Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby young_trig Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:24 am

Great news. I think it benefited from having all the lax at one venue. Some of the previous tournaments had separate venues and people didn't like it.

How did you like playing in the astro there? Shame that no 3g facilities can be found
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Re: Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby whopead Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:42 am

I personally thought it was a pretty good venue. It was nice to be able to watch Blue and other division games at one place. It meant that there were quite a few people around which made for a good atmosphere. Wish i could have made more than one day!
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Re: Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby Waggy Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:39 am

Mahoo for sale £2.80 per pint!!!
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Re: Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby davidmcculloch81 Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:42 pm

The astroturf around the subs bench seemed to be fine.
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Re: Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby UKLacrosse Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:50 pm

Davo, the submission to the FIL was based upon the same facilities being used.
My guess is that the whole concept was based around the same partners .... Manchester City Council and Manchester University.
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Re: Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby young_trig Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:57 pm

davidmcculloch81 wrote:The astroturf around the subs bench seemed to be fine.


Yes, but you must have seen some pitch time during the warm-up?
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Re: Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby young_trig Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:57 pm

davidmcculloch81 wrote:The astroturf around the subs bench seemed to be fine.


Yes, but you must have seen some pitch time during the warm-up?
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Re: Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby davidmcculloch81 Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:07 pm

Yes, and during the many practices we had there too. In my opinion it's pretty good turf - the best non-3G astro that I've played on. It's a far cry from the Wilmslow sand pit.
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Re: Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby davidmcculloch81 Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:50 pm

I wonder if the white-satin-draped VIP room will make a return appearance. Fond memories of finding our way into there after the last game.
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Re: Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby chippie Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:58 pm

2018 is a long time for facilities to be updated :wink:
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Re: Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby rpowell Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:36 pm

Things that will be great in Denver 2014: fantastic organisation; wonderful facilities; largest crowds most teams will ever play in front of; the Iroquois Nationals will be there.
Thing that will suck in Denver 2014: distance from accommodation to playing venue.

Been to over 20 World & European Events, and the ones with the best player experience tend to be those with co-located accommodation & playing facilities.

I expect Manchester in 2018 to be one the better events: imagine 2010 but with even more teams. Even the Iroquois :)
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Re: Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby Jim13 Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:23 pm

Great news, but how come it's back here so soon?

Thought they'd move the host nation round a bit more.
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Re: Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby UKLacrosse Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:18 pm

The bigger the tournament becomes, the more difficult it is for emerging countries to host the event. Not only that, but the costs escalate and there are not many venues that can guarantee not only to cover those costs (through spectators etc), but also make a donation to the FIL. The FIL would be brave indeed to risk entering unproven territory. How long before there are restrictions to participate in the event i.e. qualification tournaments?
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Re: Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby hooters86 Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:00 pm

young_trig wrote:Great news. I think it benefited from having all the lax at one venue. Some of the previous tournaments had separate venues and people didn't like it.

How did you like playing in the astro there? Shame that no 3g facilities can be found


The astro is turd
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Re: Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby kino Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:27 pm

I think the venue at the Firs worked well, with all the matches located in one place. It made for a truly all encompassing lacrosse festival - if you discount the Iroquois not being allowed into the UK!. I assume with 5 years notice our wonderful government (of whichever political persuasion) can sort this one out for 2018 - mind you I would not bet my house on it if UKIP are in power by then!

The fact that everything was all in one place encouraged players and spectators of all ages to attend and get involved. It may not be the biggest venue in terms of seating capacity but it was sufficient given the size of the game in the UK and the ability and willingness of overseas visitors to come and visit. I think it will be so again in 2018 despite the likely growth in the game elsewhere on the planet and to a lesser extent here in the UK. It was far better to have a capacity crowd of circa 5,000 generating a great atmosphere and some 'friendly' banter than finding ourselves echoing in a half empty larger venue such as Gigg Lane in Bury back in the mid 1990's

If we could guarantee to fill a larger venue such as those suggested it would be worthy of consideration but in my view there are potentially major downsides to this approach. One is that we don't fill the stadium and the costs of hiring the venue result in financial disaster for the organsers and the ELA - a likely outcome given the size of the game in the UK. Secondly, these stadiums will likely only be able to host the Blue and Red division games and having to travel to a different venue for them will, in my opinion, reduce attendances for those games and reduce the support back at the main venue for the remaining divisions, Masters, etc. This will also the damage the commercial opportunities for sponsors, retailers catering providers etc. and have a possible detrimental effect on the finances of the games.

The split site approach would also affect the friendly nature of the 2010 games where players from the elite to the kids just starting out could mix and relax in each others company which was in my opinion a strength of those championships.

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Re: Men's WC - Manchester 2018

Postby Mr.Stanford Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:40 pm

kino wrote:I assume with 5 years notice our wonderful government (of whichever political persuasion) can sort this one out for 2018 - mind you I would not bet my house on it if UKIP are in power by then!


From my understanding the UK government would let them in, It was the USA who would not have allowed them back on their Iroquois passports as they don't meet some set of criteria. Anyway that's for a separate thread.
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