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Re: Stick Checks

Postby dblacklock Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:22 pm

Murray wrote:Can somebody please clarify what the call would be if: a player scores, stick check called on them, their pocket is too deep (clear cm of daylight between ball and head of stick)?

My interpretation of it would be that it is illegal and a 3min penalty, or does this also fall under the 30second rule as with strings longer than 2”?

technical foul - as it is only for pocket depth - if goal scored no goal. player has to adjsut the stick. Would only be time served if it was apired wiht a simultaneous foul.

Trick construction (i.e too long, too wide, too short,) or trick stringing carry the 3 minute foul.
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby buckers_the_great Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:35 am

Sorry to bring this one up again but i had a few incidents yesterday that i wanted to clear up for my own mind.

During a quarter time White asks me to look at Blue Players stick as they think the strings are too long. I oblige and check the stick (clearly just out the packet in the hands of a fresher), i ask the captain to sort this out which he does and double checks with me before play starts and it is fine. My call was no foul as it was during a break and was almost an eqipment call for safety (as these strings were very long)?

next there was almost a snipe back from the Blue team asking me to check the string of a White player. This was while the ball was dead and after a quick check i asked the player just to tie the one string, he subbed himself and came back on once sorted, none of this effected game time as the ball had gone for miles off the back line! Again i called no foul as it was all very friendly in the asking and acceptance but by the rules looking back i should have called a technical?
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby dom#10 Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:35 pm

buckers_the_great wrote:Sorry to bring this one up again but i had a few incidents yesterday that i wanted to clear up for my own mind.

During a quarter time White asks me to look at Blue Players stick as they think the strings are too long. I oblige and check the stick (clearly just out the packet in the hands of a fresher), i ask the captain to sort this out which he does and double checks with me before play starts and it is fine. My call was no foul as it was during a break and was almost an eqipment call for safety (as these strings were very long)?

next there was almost a snipe back from the Blue team asking me to check the string of a White player. This was while the ball was dead and after a quick check i asked the player just to tie the one string, he subbed himself and came back on once sorted, none of this effected game time as the ball had gone for miles off the back line! Again i called no foul as it was all very friendly in the asking and acceptance but by the rules looking back i should have called a technical?


I cant comment on whether you followed the letter of the law buckers, but, as one of the white players, i can say that we were not trying to gain any kind of advantage in terms of having a technical called against the blue team, merely just pointing out that the players shooters were ridiculously long. In that respect id say you made the right calling by keeping it to just a quite word with the player concerned.
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby buckers_the_great Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:26 pm

Yeah i should have changed the colours to protect identities 8)

Agree it worked fine in the game but just trying to improve my knowledge and understanding.
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby dblacklock Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:23 pm

Okay so we have a few things to deal with here.

To check a stick, the play must be dead, so between quarters would qualify.

The stick check must be called by the head coach. So in the absence of a head coach his powers would devolve to the captain - Did either of those call it - If not Illegal Stick Check request. But let's assume yes.

The stick must tbe on the field of play, so if the stick was in the bench, then no stick check and you could then deem it an illegal stick check request.

You did the stick check - Did you check all aspects? Lets presume yes and the stick was illegal for long strings. - Technical Foul. Treat it like any other foul - i.e. delay of game before the quarter starts. You'd award the ball.

You then get a subsequent request. It too is illegal. So now you have simultaneous fouls - which would cancel and therefore you have a face off. What happens though if you give a personal foul for UC as the team chirps at you. Guess what - they all serve time for the infractions - Blue 30 - Red 30+1:00 and you then need to go to who has more penalty time to figure who gets the ball - Blue

To complicate it further, what happens if one of those sticks happen to score a goal at the end of the quarter and then the quarter expires. We've not had a whistle to restart Play -so guess what you now cancel the goal.

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Re: Stick Checks

Postby Paul_lboro/wildcats Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:58 pm

Ok quick question regarding this. Is the 2inch string length a FIL rule or ELA rule? Because BUCs play full FIL I guess? In which case is it referees desrcetion on whether it is dangerous or not?
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby buckers_the_great Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:46 pm

Clear as a piece of string! I love mixing metaphor's :) good point on the ela v fil question though. Refereeing a SEMLA game this weekend so think i have it cleared up in my head.
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby Chilli Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:48 pm

It's an FIL rule which the ELA have adopted.
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby laxambition Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:06 pm

dblacklock wrote:
To check a stick, the play must be dead, so between quarters would qualify.

The stick must tbe on the field of play, so if the stick was in the bench, then no stick check and you could then deem it an illegal stick check request.


Don,

Interesting can of worms you may have opened there, just to clarify:

At the end of the period, the stick check can only be called in the time between the whistle blowing and the player exiting the field to "assemble in the bench area" (as per Rule 29.4) and the time between re-taking the field and the re-start of play for the next period.

At half-time, the teams can "leave the playing field", so same applies but substitute that for the part in quotations above.

However, space considerations and a desire to be out of ear-shot of the opposition mean that teams often just congregate wherever they can and sometimes it will be wholly or partly on the pitch. In this case, any team member on the pitch can be subject to a stick check, but any team member who happens to be stood off the pitch during the team-talk is immune from the stick check until he retakes the field as described.
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby davewilliams Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:56 pm

dblacklock wrote:...The stick must tbe on the field of play, so if the stick was in the bench, then no stick check and you could then deem it an illegal stick check request...


Just revising and catching up with the gossip here.

So a really quick middi scores and hot-foot reaches sanctuary of the bench, strings-a-flapping. His stick is immune from a check within ELA/FIL rules?
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby jasc Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:46 pm

Can you call a stick check in a golden goal situation ?
Does the scoring of the goal finish the game so no chance of a stick check call.
Therefore it is worth the risk to play with an illegal stick to win the game.
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby davidmcculloch81 Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:41 pm

jasc wrote:Can you call a stick check in a golden goal situation ?
Does the scoring of the goal finish the game so no chance of a stick check call.
Therefore it is worth the risk to play with an illegal stick to win the game.


99% sure you can call this stick check. Otherwise it would be a complete oversight in the rule book and would need sorting right away.

What you could do is score the goal with the illegal stick then run off, throwing your kit everywhere in jubilation. Get your team mates to do the same.

Then, as it settles and the opposition calls the stick check, go and pick up a team mate's stick.

The refs on here would probably say something like: "errrrr, but you aren't allowed to throw your equipment" but how many times have you seen it?
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby laxambition Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:32 pm

davidmcculloch81 wrote:
jasc wrote:Can you call a stick check in a golden goal situation ?
Does the scoring of the goal finish the game so no chance of a stick check call.
Therefore it is worth the risk to play with an illegal stick to win the game.


99% sure you can call this stick check. Otherwise it would be a complete oversight in the rule book and would need sorting right


Nope!

AR45.1 -ruling: the game is over, the stick check is not allowed
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby davidmcculloch81 Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:45 am

Worst rule ever. Would have to catch them before they scored.
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby young_trig Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:05 am

davidmcculloch81 wrote:Worst rule ever. Would have to catch them before they scored.


Can't call a stick check in open play! Therefore a team could cheat and go for an all or nothing play with illegal stick and hoped they scored
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby young_trig Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:08 am

davidmcculloch81 wrote:Worst rule ever. Would have to catch them before they scored.


If they amend the rule to allow the check after the goal, then every coach would always call a check after golden goal as nothing to lose. Kind of ruins the finale!
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby davidmcculloch81 Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:12 pm

young_trig wrote:
davidmcculloch81 wrote:Worst rule ever. Would have to catch them before they scored.


Can't call a stick check in open play! Therefore a team could cheat and go for an all or nothing play with illegal stick and hoped they scored


I think we're onto something here...

So, provided the stick isn't dangerously illegal, the ref can't halt the game, right? So a massive pocket on the end of a tiny shaft with a throat so narrow that the ball ain't coming out without being thrown out - we could even put a bit of pop lacrosse plastic across the throat of the stick I guess. That would work, right? Make sure that this guy subs onto the field of play during live action. Pass him the ball and watch him go.

Granted, if he misses or the keeper saves then he is likely to be called for stick check immediately. 3 minutes man-down is then a big risk in a golden goal situation. I'd probably try it in a summer tournament first.

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Re: Stick Checks

Postby davidmcculloch81 Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:14 pm

Now putting myself in the shoes of the ref and wishing to uphold the spirit of the game at all times, I would probably call something like "referee's time" to tie my shoelace or something as the play unfolds. Would the defensive coach be able to call a stick check at that point?
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby davidmcculloch81 Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:16 pm

OR...is the referee able to call the ball-carrier for withholding the ball due to excessively large pocket and bit of plastic across the front of his stick.

I'm giving this plenty of thought.
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Re: Stick Checks

Postby jameskellam Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:25 am

Deliberately committing a technical foul to gain advantage can be unsportsmanlike conduct which is a personal foul. If a player deployed an illegal stick knowing that there could be no stick check then that would be the call.

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