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Postby snooplax Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:41 am

http://www.archlevellacrosse.com/

Who runs this? Anyone got any info?
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Postby oldman Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:11 am

Difficult to find out. No address or landline phone...just a mobile and an interesting business model when it comes to supplying umpires/referees.
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Postby laxwill11 Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:25 am

i think vince grimes from colchester is involved - vgrimes on here
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Postby VGrimes Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:40 pm

What kind of information are you interested in?
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Postby FarmerDan Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:39 pm

I'm intrigued by the referee provision. How much do the referees get paid per game? What qualification level are they?

I'm assuming that they are not panel referees as they are assigned by the relevant fixtures secretary and are subject to the usual fees. £30 to share between all assigned panel refs per game in the South (can't remember what the North pay).

Have you sorted out insurance for the refs as I don't know if the ELA will cover referees provided by a private company.

I would recommend you contact the ELA Referees and Rules committee to discuss your venture with regards to referee provision.
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Postby VGrimes Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:25 pm

Check out the article from TopJLax on ArchLevel Lacrosse.

http://www.topjlax.com/5/post/2010/09/u ... rosse.html
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Postby 6x6 Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:53 pm

FarmerDan wrote:£30 to share between all assigned panel refs per game in the South (can't remember what the North pay)


30 GBP's that is shared? How many do you usually have, 2 or 3 refs? That's absurd!
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Postby laxwill11 Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:55 pm

er, 0-1 usually!
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Postby FarmerDan Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:22 pm

laxwill11 wrote:er, 0-1 usually!

Correct. One day it will change...
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Postby VGrimes Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:55 pm

The "Zebra"; or our ref and umpire department for ease, is somethis we are extremely excited about and will help change how officials are viewed in the UK (as their role on the field and as a lucrative option for work). We are in talks with the ELA at the moment to work out all needed details for this department to work at top capacity. The game cannot progress without this crucial role (the official); and we hope to assist in bettering this position. More to come soon.
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Postby 6x6 Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:52 am

FarmerDan wrote:
laxwill11 wrote:er, 0-1 usually!

Correct. One day it will change...


You sure? No offense but don't see how when paying that rate.

Here in Texas we have some similar issues in that we have a shortage of officials, coaches, practice and game fields. However, we are gaining ground regarding officials as football refs are now taking courses and becoming certified in lacrosse. I think the big incentive is the extra money they can make. They work football in the fall and lacrosse in the spring.

Here in Houston they each, two are always scheduled, make $55 for a high school JV game (40 mins) and $65 for a varsity game (48 mins). Games are played one after the other with a 45 min (or so) break between. Home team pays the refs.
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Postby Chilli Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:18 am

Refereeing in total is an issue that has been badly managed in the English game for decades.

Not enough of them, not enough at a high standard, not rewarded well enough, not treated with the due respect etc etc.

Unfortunately it can't be fixed in a short period either.

The issue of payment is complicated.
The £30 per game payment is intended to cover a referee's expenses only, not to provide an income.
Payments for day-long events such as Tournaments are paid around £50 as there would also be the need for refreshments etc during the day.
If it were to be considered income then the tax paid would reduce its value even further.

By the SEMLA byelaws, it is also only to be paid to a 'Panel' Referee, that is one who has achieved a given standard and, therefore, to act as an incentive to new referees to achieve that standard asap.

Home teams are responsible and, if a 'panel' referee is appointed then they must also provide at least one 'home' referee so as to allow them to gain experience and coaching from the Panel referee.
Home teams can choose to pay non-panel referees if they want or need to.

The SEMLA strategy, agreed by all member clubs, is to create an atmosphere that attracts new and, hopefully, younger people into refereeing and so far it is working. It will take many years before we have enough qualified and experienced referees to cover all games to a standard that we would all want to achieve.
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Postby davidmcculloch81 Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:50 am

I think you also have to look at the shortage of flags as they keep getting stolen.
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Chuckle, chuckle! :D

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