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Attackers winding up!!

Postby CGKer Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:57 pm

What would you prefer:-

A) your defence stepping in and playing body/gloves to either prevent/ruin the shot or encourage the player out of take the shot..

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B) your defender getting the hell out of the way so you can see the shot?

I'm in two minds on this and this that it maybe somewhere inbetween.

Your thoughts please as either can be beneficial or a hinderance.
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Postby fresher309 Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:18 pm

speaking from a defenders point of view, i'd rather get in at the guy than stand bk and let him shoot, plus if he's faking then you'd be letting him get even closer by not trying to play him, bad news in my eyes anyways
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Postby Dining Room Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:12 pm

i think it is in your best interests to ensure your defender do their job!
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Postby JackP Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:39 am

As long as the defender commits to doing just one or the other, I'm happy. It's when the defender decides to push out to the guy and then just let him wind up and shoot that I find causes problems.
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Postby CGKer Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:25 pm

fresher309 wrote:plus if he's faking then you'd be letting him get even closer by not trying to play him, bad news in my eyes anyways


Hazardous to let them get too close.
I'm with Jack P. Defence should do one or the other. A defensive screen is the last thing I want when being shot at. D should be all over then like white on rice if they start winding up. Best to prevent the shot than to just allow it.
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Postby Tom_Southampton Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:27 pm

I would usually try and remain on the hands, lifting the hands and bodying if possible (what i actually do is another matter but thats what i try to do)
although I have on at least one occasion just got the hell out the way. one in question i remember was playing Cambs uni a while back, we'd played then in the flags final the day before and I'd been hit in the ear by a shot hard enough to bruise through the helmet. next day we played them in a uni tournament and UKlacrosseKieths son and a mate guested for them. one of these two shapes to shoot, I shout a helpful 'good luck Salmon' to our keeper and step smartly aside. I didn't even see the ball next think i heard was a wuuuumphoooooooooooh as it burried itself into the goalies box-region
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Postby ArmourAsh Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:09 pm

There is really no precedent for a defender "leaving" a shooter because he is in the act of shooting - otherwise you would have attackers simply walking toward the goal in a contiuous wind up!

Accidental screens are part of the game - remember most defences ask the defender to send the ball carrier to a certain place (usually down the side), which means that the defender should not be running along a path directly between the shooter and the goalie anyway.

The final thought is that most defensive coaches ask that shooters pay for the priviledge of finding time and room shots, i.e. "Shooters go down". Shooters expecting contact are never as good as shooters who know they are going to go untouched.

If you can get there before the ball is released, then get to hands - if you get there as the ball is released then put the shooter on the deck. Either way, get there!

If you can't get there, call a defensive meeting and find out why - then make the necessary adjustments.

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Re: Attackers winding up!!

Postby jsgi Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:21 am

CGKer wrote:What would you prefer:-

A) your defence stepping in and playing body/gloves to either prevent/ruin the shot or encourage the player out of take the shot..

or

B) your defender getting the hell out of the way so you can see the shot?

I'm in two minds on this and this that it maybe somewhere inbetween.

Your thoughts please as either can be beneficial or a hinderance.


While I hate shots coming in that are obscured by screening defenders....I'm much rather that the pole was beating up on the shooter, the slightest touch is enough to make the shot slower and less acurate.

Personally i sometimes find more problems with defenders whose man is behind the goal and are loitering on the crease.
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Postby broady Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:54 pm

Along the same lines would you move towards the body or stick if the attacker is cranking one up?
If moving towards the body you can be used as a screen for the shot... if moving for the stick easier to face dodge...
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Postby Mr.Stanford Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:27 am

http://tv.insidelacrosse.com/index.cfm?video=333

talks about charging the head of the stick on a shot
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Postby UKLaxfan Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:44 pm

broady wrote:Along the same lines would you move towards the body or stick if the attacker is cranking one up?
If moving towards the body you can be used as a screen for the shot... if moving for the stick easier to face dodge...


Body, Body, Body!

Get your stick out in front of you and go stick on stick, body on body.

Slide to contain not to knock them into the middle of next week.

Even if they get the shot off before you get there using you as a screen, finish your check off!

Make them pay the price for taking a shot at your Goalie.

This has two benefits:-
1) It means you won't hesitate when you slide, you will go early and go hard as there is no decision to be made, just go.
2) The attackman may not want to pay the price and will be "hearing footsteps" next time they are in that position. This leads to them rushng the shot or not takng it, both of which are beneficial to the Defence.
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Postby cheekylaxstuff Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:29 pm

Get your defence to train or even play with wooden d poles

It will speed up their check v speed ratio if used during training
It can act as "footsteps" as in UKLAXFAN'S Comments in the post before this


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Postby UKLaxfan Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:35 pm

Mr.Stanford wrote:http://tv.insidelacrosse.com/index.cfm?video=333

talks about charging the head of the stick on a shot


Kyle Harrison says in the MLL middies go for the head of the stick rather than the body :?

I don't agree with this for a number of reasons
1) Leaves you vulnerable to a Face Dodge or Split dodge
2) Leaves you out of position if the attacker simply changes hands and shoots with opposite hand.

In the video example above if the attackman is shooting left handed, Kyle would have you charging to the outside giving up the middle of the field where the attacker could get a high percentage shot off.

In the NLL they coach to block the head of the stick because most players are completely one hand dominant, field players tend to be able to shoot with both hands at top level.
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Postby Paul~6 Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:54 am

Make the defense poke the hell outta him, if he really wants the shot from outside, let him :D
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Postby Nikon Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:22 am

so............ youl et him take the outside shot???????? trouble is he is mint??????? know your oponont and play him accordingly. thats good team defence!
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Postby Paul~6 Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:12 am

Yea...I would want him to take the outside shot preferably than coming in close to finish if you have the confidence in knowing your going to save 90% of them, even if he is a good shooter i find it tonnes easier to save outside shots then instantly get on the break if the middies move there ass lol
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Postby Moley Wed May 20, 2009 3:39 pm

Paul~6 wrote:Yea...I would want him to take the outside shot preferably than coming in close to finish if you have the confidence in knowing your going to save 90% of them, even if he is a good shooter i find it tonnes easier to save outside shots then instantly get on the break if the middies move there ass lol


Following on from this I would say that you have to get out and play the man for a few reasons
1. If you don't, an alert attacker will just step in a bit further and take a not so outside shot.
2. If you do get face dodged there is always a trail check or if the shot goes quickly you are away and on the break.
3. If you do it right you will get a check or (hopefully massive) hit in which will reduce the shot quality or even stop the shot occuring.
4. The shot might hit the defenders stick or body.
5. You will probably affect the attacker mentally if they know they are going to get hit, reducing the shot quality.

The only down side I can see to this is if there is a screen out in front but from the outside it should make little difference, not like have a fat attacker blocking your view on the crease.

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Postby steve flint Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:07 pm

as long as the dman commits fully and steps inside the shot Im happy, what I hate is when the dman only half commits and then ends up being used as a screen, making it even harder to see, 9 times out of 10 if you can see the ball leave the stick you can make a save
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